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PostSubject: front leg problem   Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:39 pm

we have a pregnant glider who cannot use her front left leg. she will eat, but bit at me when I tried to examine her leg. no visible injury. no accidents or falls that I am aware of. not acting herself at all. cant go to vet until the morning, but in the meantime what do we do??
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PostSubject: Re: front leg problem   Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:45 pm

You take her to the vet and have her x-rayed. Until then, she must be placed in a hospital cage and her mobility limited as much as possible.

You can NOT tell if there is an injury just by looking at her - she must be seen by a vet and x-rays must be performed for an accurate diagnosis.
WHY? For the same reason that you have to know if your arm is broken or just sprained when you injure yourself - the treatment plan, supplements given and length of rest are dependent upon an accurate diagnosis.

Pregnant females have safely and successfully been anesthetized in the past with no harm to the joeys. If you don't want to risk x-rays to the joeys (don't know how old the joeys are, so giving both options) then treat her as if her leg is broken - go to the vet, get her on pain meds and follow the broken leg protocol written here:
http://thesweetspot.forumotion.net/broken-bone-f10/broken-leg-after-care-and-rehabilitation-instructions-t6.htm
Better safe than sorry.

ANY time a glider looses the functional use of a limb, the glider MUST be seen by a vet and x-rays performed.

Please be sure to let us know how that vet visit goes.

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PostSubject: Re: front leg problem   Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:51 pm

okay, we are going to the vet first thing tomrrow morning, she is eating and in a hospital cage bundled up in her fleece blankies.
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PostSubject: Re: front leg problem   Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:54 am

Vet was unable to get any blood but did do an xray which showed normal bone density & no broken bones or dislocations. She took some pedialyte & apple but is dehydrated. I am keeping her in the travel carrier right next to me for now. She is sleeping. I am very concerned about the joey as well. This is just added stress for her. Please keep us in your thoughts & prayers.
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PostSubject: Re: front leg problem   Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:45 am

Lynn - I watched the video on GC.

This glider is in MAJOR stress. I can't believe the vet even sent her home! Did he give you pain meds for her?

Honestly - not trying to be heartless, but your concern should NOT be for the joey IP. If the momma makes it, it will be a miracle - forget the joey! Sorry for being blunt - I'm just calling it as I see it.

Please take her to a different vet IMMEDIATELY. You should consider this an emergency. That video is so sad. Part of me is praying she makes it. Part of me is just saddened by her suffering.
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PostSubject: Re: front leg problem   Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:07 am

I did consult with 2 other vets and my vet has called me back after doing some research, as he was very concerned as well. I am getting pain meds for her today! She is eating & drinking as I have been up with her for the last 2 nights. My main concern is Gracie and I know the pregnancy is more stress, but I am worried about the joey too. I know if we lose her we lose the joey too and she is my main concern. i just hope all goes well for the both of them. It seems to be a soft tissue injury at this point, so hopefully the pain meds will make her more comfortable and enable her to heal. If all goes well, this joey will be staying here with me due to the uncertainty of this condition. I know the video is sad but was hoping someone may have dealt with this before and would recognize what it might be. It also may serve as a learning tool for the future. Thanx for your concern and know I am doing everything I can for her.
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PostSubject: Re: front leg problem   Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:31 am

Thank you for the update, Lynn.

I'm glad she's going to be getting pain meds. That makes me feel much better.
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PostSubject: Re: front leg problem   Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:35 pm

Can you link or put the video on here please. It will be good for future issues I think.

I hope she feels better soon.
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PostSubject: Re: front leg problem   Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:28 pm

Oh my god this is so sad I wanted to cry!!!!!

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PostSubject: Re: front leg problem   Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:48 pm

She seems to be resting comfortably and is eating & drinking willingly. i am still very concerned about her & her mate, since they are separated right now. How would they test for a neurological problem on a glider? I think she may have injured her shoulder somehow by falling or getting caught in the cage bars or God knows what could have happened! They are in the same cage for the last year and no new toys or equipment. Same diet & fleece accessories. I don't know what else to do and watching her is very upsetting not knowing how to help her. I don't want to jsut sit here and watch her die!
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PostSubject: Re: front leg problem   Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:30 pm

Whatever the damage is, it looks to be further than just that front leg. She doesn't seem to be able to hold herself up at all. If the injury was just with that arm, she should still be able to hold herself up like amputees do.

Poor baby, hoping things start looking up for her
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PostSubject: Re: front leg problem   Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:08 pm

Lynn
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE go read this story right away. This is the EXACT same movements and fluctuation in condition seen in Latte at one point.

http://thesweetspot.forumotion.net/mysteries-and-undiagnosed-ailments-f59/latte-dehydration-neurological-symptoms-t151.htm

This glider is VERY ill. Forget the joey. That may sound harsh, but you can't afford to give the joey any consideration at this point. Cheer and celebrate if the joey makes it, but don't work toward that. Actually, being pregnant right now is hindering her healing and her prognosis would be better if she were not pregnant. This glider NEEDS a VERY potent and very long course of antibiotics NOW.

Did you have fecal exams performed at her vet visit as well?

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PostSubject: Re: front leg problem   Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:24 pm

Thank you for referring me to this. It does sound like the same thing you went thru, except that Gracie has crabbed at me a few times and gets nippy when I do try to move her leg around. I did notice she has her middle & ring finger nails gone, well not totally ripped out as there are tiny nail points there now. While I am concerned that she is pregnant, I know it is only causing more stress on her. But I will not pull this joey! at this point anyway. It bothers me to see her try to move and just slide along on her chin like what you described. I am worried about her mate too and wondering if I should give them some time together? I have her in a small travel carrier to limit her mobility and keep her from furthur injury.For the last 3 nights, I have gotten her up every 3 hours or so to offer her food, water and or juice. She does eat willingly, but in very small amounts and fatigues quickly. So many similarities her, but what else can I do?
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PostSubject: Re: front leg problem   Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:38 pm

gliderma wrote:
So many similarities her, but what else can I do?

Something_To_Believe_In wrote:
This glider NEEDS a VERY potent and very long course of antibiotics NOW.

I was trying not to say "forget the joey" but what I was meaning was "forget the joey." This glider needs all your help right now. I am not certain I would or could pull a joey, myself, so I hesitate to recommend you do that. But - I think you can't even think of her as having a joey IP. Take whatever measures necessary to save her, whether they are safe for the joey or not. If they joey makes it - a miracle. If not, you will have done everything possible to save the momma.
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PostSubject: Re: front leg problem   Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:15 pm

If it were a pocket of infection in her brain would it be visible in an x-ray or maybe an ultrasound?
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PostSubject: Re: front leg problem   Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:16 am

That's a question I had too. The xray looks normal in every way. I would think an abcess or even soft tissue injury would show up as a cloudy/foggy area? I think she may have pulled the joey or it is tucked in real deep. There isn't the little bulge that there was and the joey was clearly visible on the xray, so we know it was there at least at that point.
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PostSubject: Re: front leg problem   Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:33 pm

They can tuck singles away for quite awhile...But, more worried about the neurological way she is acting right now anyways...Very rarely will a soft tissue injury show on an x-ray..When dealing with breaks on film in the healing process you are looking at what was actually happening a week to 10 days ago because of the calcification process not being detected very well by an xray machine
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PostSubject: Re: front leg problem   Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:20 pm

Feather wrote:
If it were a pocket of infection in her brain would it be visible in an x-ray or maybe an ultrasound?
No, it would not.

Again, this glider needs to get on a VERY STRONG course of multiple antibiotics ASAP. A regular course of one antibiotic will NOT cure this - as evidenced by Latte's story. She was given shots of Convenia as well as oral antibiotics and it only masked the infection for a bit.

This glider is NOT suffering only an injury to the leg.

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PostSubject: Re: front leg problem   Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:49 am

Any updates, how she doing?
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PostSubject: Re: front leg problem   Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:52 pm

Gracie is showing some improvement. She's not dragging her leg behind now and has it in a more normal position. Not bearing weight on it but an improvement. I do believe she has pulled the joey though and might have a pouch infection. I have cleaned her up with warm water & antibacterial soap but there is no lump. I'm sure she did what was best but I don't know when she could've done it cuz she's been with me all week. I'm worried about her mate too. Do you think they will need to go thru introductions when she is well?
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PostSubject: Re: front leg problem   Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:04 pm

Why can't you keep them together? She will probably be happy with him being with her.
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PostSubject: Re: front leg problem   Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:44 pm

Due to her injury, she has been staying in a small travel carrier to limit her mobility. They share a huge cage and I didn't want her to just sit on the bottom of the cage or get hurt more by trying to climb around. It has been a week tomorrow and she has made some improvment so I am going to let them be together for some supervised time and see what happens. I hope they do well.
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PostSubject: Re: front leg problem   Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:46 pm

I hope so too. Good luck I wish her a fast recovery.
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