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PostSubject: Lori Homer/TheHomerMomma/Tiny Toes Sugar Gliders   Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:13 pm

Members are cautioned to take great care when dealing with Lori Homer of Tiny Toes Sugar Gliders.
The following will document a long history of lies, untruths, half truths, attempts at cover up and questionable breeding practices.

In most cases, when we begin to compile information of this sort, we will have 2-4 people come forward with information regarding the person in question. We can usually document a few offenses that are verifyable.
In the case of Lori Homer, however, the number of people who came forward with information verifying that the following are true has been overwhelming. This speaks volumes. We are simply overwhelmed with the number of stories from different people and on different subjects that point to wrong doing by Lori. So much so that we have made the decision to let individuals come and tell their own stories if they wish. We will not share personal stories. Instead we are just going to outline the number of lies and questionable things that Lori has posted on the boards or that are easily proven in print from websites and forums. That, in itsself, is sufficient to warrant a warning.


Many people can go years in this community without more than one or two significant "suspicious" events tarnishing their reputation. Lori joined this community one year ago and already has three or more significant "suspicious" events. In ONE YEAR.

In fact, on Glider Gossip, the following are outlined by Eric:

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In January there was a claim that she took in gliders under the presumption that she was to be a "forever home", only to later resell the gliders at a higher price.

In May there was a claim that she lied about the health of a glider that was purchased from her. I asked TheHomermomma for her vet information. She refused.
Reference: http://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=35532&whichpage=5

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In late July of 2011, Lori entered into an agreement to buy out breeder J. Denise Klinker of Georgia. While she did not initiate this buy out, she jumped at the opportunity. She worked with Kimberly Miller on this situation.
Lori then titled this buy out "The Great Glider Rescue" and proceeded to collect donations for the care of these purchased gliders. She also then sold some of the gliders (at $200 each) and adopted some of them out for free. It is unclear what her criteria for deciding who had to pay and who did not was. Some of the gliders were fostered at Kimberly's home, but the majority were in Lori's physical care.

The questions arising from this situation began when the reports from Lori were suspect based upon the experience and knowledge of the number of people actively following these threads who have vast experience in rescue of sugar gliders and other animals.

Lori is not licensed or registered. A quick search by our staff did not turn up any legal registration or licensing by her state or county.


Lori stated that she could not share the name of the breeder she had bought out because of an investigation.
Copied from this locked thread on GG:
.http://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=35532&whichpage=2
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However, there is an active USDA investigation that I am cooperating with right now and I cannot give you that information. When this is wrapped up and is public I will give you the information.
I'm not hiding her...I just want to make sure that I do not impede this investigation
Lori continued to maintain that there was an open investigation that she was participating in and this was the reason for withholding the breeder's name.
She even repeated this claim and then elaborated on this by providing this information:

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I am working with the USDA because there IS an investigation into the fact that this woman sold gliders after her license was revoked
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AFTER I got home I was called by the Eastern division of APHIS and was asked to cooperate in an investigation. We HAD exhausted everything, but now she has sold 20 gliders without a valid license. They DO NOT want the gliders. The investigation is about her sales AFTER her license was revoked. I am not the only one that she sold to but I'm the only one with that many gliders AND a contract.

This was suspect at first because 1) she made no mention of an investigation prior to being questioned and 2) many of us HAVE actually participated in investigations and legal cases and the behavior of Lori prior to her posting this does NOT indicate that there are any legal proceedings at all.

Nonetheless, Val did some quick investigating, which included contacting Mrs. Klinker and Aphis directly (via association with other rescue contacts).
What has been confirmed to date is that there are a few complaints against her, but no open investigations can be confirmed by any sources.. In case this might possibly be true, we continued to monitor for reports of any investigation and none have turned up thus far.
Lori fabricated this entire story in order to withhold information from this community.


Lori was asked to give information regarding vet bills and her vet's information for those who wish to donate. She refused.
Among her many excuses, she continued to claim that SHE, herself, had never asked for donations. Yet, she absolutlely did.

In this thread
http://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=35377
she says:
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We are still in need of some more adopters and any help that you can give...railroad, fostering, donations or getting the word out. Email me at TinyToesGliders@gmail.com for any information or an application.


Lori repeatedly posted information that was untrue or only partially true in an effort to gain more.....not sure which: money, sympathy, glory. ???
For example, in this threadhttp://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=35611 she says
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I'm trying to make sure that we don't lose the 3 oldest gliders to liver and kidney failure.
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TheHomermomma Super Glider 969 Posts
Aug 03 2011 : 02:23:36 PM

So far I've had a total of $185 donated. The vet bills have been over $900 and will go higher

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The bills going forward look to be possibly much more than what has gone out so far.

Yet, in private chat with Val, she disclosed the following:
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[21:49] <TheHomermomma> Olson is theonly one that appears to have kidney and liver issues. I don't know the name of the test...it was a blood draw that I had to wait to get the results from
If Olson is the only one that had any irregular blood tests (and he was), then why state above that you are worried about THREE gliders? What reason could there be other than to exaggerate so that you get more donations/glory/recognition? At best, it is blatant misrepresentation in order to manipulate feelings toward the situation.
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[21:59] <Something_To_Believe_In> Is he the worst you have in terms of health issues?
[21:59] <TheHomermomma> i don't want to switch but he just felt that if there were those issues that he wasn't sure that he was the best to handle them
[21:59] <TheHomermomma> Yes.
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[22:27] <Something_To_Believe_In> No parasites? No dehydration? No infections or wounds?
[22:28] <TheHomermomma> No wounds...joeys were slightly dehydrated but that's to be expected when they were in 100 degree + temps, but they bounced back really quickly
[22:29] <TheHomermomma> No parasites
[22:29] <Something_To_Believe_In> Well then, despite the conditions that you found when the gliders were picked up, these gliders were very well cared for.

These gliders were NOT ILL. Not one of the gliders was treated for any medical issue. NO issues. NO treatment. So, why exactly did the medical bills look to be much more? Why did she expect them to climb above the $900 she reportedly already spent?
Again, simply an attempt to garner more support in the form of monetary donations and glory.


Additionally, she repeatedly stated that she would not give the vet info because she was looking to change vets. She did not feel that this particular vet could handle the issues these gliders presented with.
Ummmm - WHAT ISSUES??? They are completly healthy gliders! There is no reason to change vets - at least no valid reason presented by Lori. Again, a smokescreen.

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PostSubject: Re: Lori Homer/TheHomerMomma/Tiny Toes Sugar Gliders   Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:14 pm

Lori also states that she has been doing rescue for a very long time.
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Re: Thehomermomma / Tiny Toes Gliders / Lori
by TinyToes on Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:18 pm

.LOL...Val I rescued WAAAAYYY before I found these forums and I'll continue to do so...
That is interesting, considering she had to have assistance with setting up her glider rescue and training in how to "document and everything." In fact, when asked if she was working with Ed (of Lucky Glider rescue), she replied.
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[21:17] <TheHomermomma> No...he just sent me what he has so that I could see how he has it set up because when I started getting people who wanted to surrender I wanted to make sure that I had all the bases covered
[21:18] <TheHomermomma> He was very open and ansered all my questions helped me with how to document and everything

Perhaps for that lengthy time that she did rescue before she found the forums, she just did so without documenting and "everything."

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Regarding responsibility of the gliders, that, too, seems to change with the day. When issues arise of glory or pats on the back, Lori is/was responsible for 20 gliders (2 were purchased by Kim beforehand when Kim was working on a case. This was before Lori became involved). However, when questioned as to why some of the gliders were rehomed without seeing a vet, suddenly Lori is only responsible for the 17 gliders in her care. This has also come up when asked about why the number of pregnant gliders differs depending on when she is recounting the story.
So, lets clear that up, shall we?

LORI entered into a contractual agreement to purchase 20 gliders. LORI is responsible for all 20.
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[21:44] <Something_To_Believe_In> So, are you coordinating the adoption of the gliders that Kim has in her possession also?
[21:44] <Something_To_Believe_In> Or is she screening adoptive homes for them?
[21:44] <TheHomermomma> Yes. They are my responsibility, but she is fostering
[21:44] <Something_To_Believe_In> And how many of the gliders ARE in your home?
[21:46] <TheHomermomma> 17 of the total of 22...Kim had already gotten her to release 2 of them to her and there were 20 total on property and she took an additional 3 to foster
Therefore, it falls to LORI to account for why some of these gliders were rehomed without ever having seen a vet.

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It should be noted that just DAYS prior to this breeder buyout (remember, she PURCHASED 20 gliders), Lori posted:
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I have the room to take them in but I can't pay the $300 to get them out. I have contacted them by CL to see if they are able to drive part way of I take them all. Son't know how though because I just don't have $300. I just had to do neuters on 5 and just can't put out anymore money right now.
In this thread about a completely different group of gliders:
http://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=35268
You may note that the date that she posted was July 20. By July 23 she was "ready to move" on the purchase of the 20 gliders from Mrs. Klinker. She had spent days garnering support for this effort.

It begs the question: If she didn't have the $300 for the Miami gliders on the 20th, how on earth did she have the money for 20 gliders (that she reported the breeder would not come down on price with because the breeder was not looking to sell out) three days later?
Could it be that she was lying about not having the $300 in hopes that someone would give it to her? Perhaps. If so, then just one more example of her exaggerating a situation in order to garner support for herself.

Could it be that she purchased the 20 gliders on a payment plan? Perhaps. If so, then that might mean that the gliders are not paid in full and therefore could not rightfully be sold to anyone else - at least not legally.

Could it be something else? Perhaps.

When Val became concerned about this pattern that was emerging and asked if she was going to make a habit of buying out breeders as her "rescue" efforts, she responded that she "does not know."
Val confronted her about being "ready to do the same in the Miami situation" to which she replied "I was not just about to do this with the Miami situation!"
Yet, her posts would indicate differently:

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TheHomermomma Super Glider 970 Posts
Jul 20 2011 : 12:14:44 PM

The glider community is amazing! I have had several people who have offered help to get these babies and we so if I can come up with the rest then I'm going to get them out of there. I'm working things out with the owner now so we'll see.
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TheHomermomma Super Glider 970 Posts
Jul 21 2011 : 09:45:52 AM

OK...just an update on these guys. She will be back in town on Saturday and will call me. She IS giving up all her gliders so by getting them we will hopefully be putting her out of business for good. Thank you SO much for all of your support.
She also repeatedly thanked "those who were helping" to get these Miami gliders and mentioned
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The glider community is amazing! I have had several people who have offered help to get these babies and we so if I can come up with the rest then I'm going to get them out of there. I'm working things out with the owner now so we'll see.
Later, she admitted that she did NOT get the Miami gliders. Yet, she collected money in order to purchase them? What happened to that money?
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During the "Great Glider" fiasco, both Val and Kate (thefotokat) offered to mentor Lori and to assist her with making more sound rescue decisions.
Not only did Lori NOT take either of them up on their offer, follow up PM's from Val were ignored/unanswered. Val later questioned Lori about this and was given the excuse that Lori "forgot they were there."

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PostSubject: Re: Lori Homer/TheHomerMomma/Tiny Toes Sugar Gliders   Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:16 pm

As to her breeding practices.

Lori's website states:
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Tiny Toes is a small hobby breeding and rescue for Sugar Gliders in Holiday, FL that began with the desire to counteract the mill breeders who are flooding the Glider community with their poorly bred and oftentimes inbred joeys. These joeys are regularly taken from their mothers too early and not handled or socialized. My gliders are well bred, well socialized and sweet tempered.
I strive to breed only for the betterment of Gliders; both in aesthetics and temperament.
Yet, she has gliders with totally messed up lineages listed on her site. How is that "betterment" of gliders?

Until she was recently challenged, she had the following glider listed as one of her breeding gliders:
http://www.thepetglider.com/pedigree/modules/animal/pedigree.php?pedid=12728
This glider's lineage is fabricated. While Lori did not enter the made-up lineage, the fact remains that any responsible breeder; any breeder breeding "only for the bettermentof the gliders" would have recognized this and never placed this glider into their breeding program.
When asked, Lori could not provide appropriate lineage for Alixus. So, while she claims to be aware that the lineage is fabricated, she is not aware of the glider's TRUE lineage. Again, breeding for the "betterment" with this glider HOW???

After being challenged on GG and LGG, she removed Alixus from her website.
You may review these threads for more info on this and for insight into Lori's true character:
http://lauriesglidergazette.forumotion.com/t14816-thehomermomma-tiny-toes-gliders-lori

http://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=37460


Truth is, she will breed any gliders she wants. In fact, she WAS breeding gliders without good lineage as she mentions here:
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*Tribble and Zephrim do NOT have verified lineage.. They have only had a total of 5 joeys in the past 5 years and we have kept records to ensure that we have not had any health issues with any of their joeys. These gliders will be retired soon but have been allowed to breed because of the amazing temperaments that they and their joeys have. Anyone with questions regarding them may email me at the above email address

Once questions into her breeding practices were raised, she removed this part from her website. Lucky for us, we have a screen shot of this admission.



She also routinely separates rescue families for her own benefit.
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From time to time there are joeys being adopted out that came from a glider that was pregnant when we rescued her. Please do not take this as a sign that we breed rescues. we do not. whenever a joey is a result of a rescue it will be disclosed to the new owner

screen shot of website:

Whereas most reputable rescues do NOT separate families.

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Throughout each of these issues, Lori has demonstrated that she is easily defensive and that she has no problem with being "stubborn" and vindictive in order to protect her "secrets."

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PostSubject: Re: Lori Homer/TheHomerMomma/Tiny Toes Sugar Gliders   Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:15 am

She also had one of the first joeys labeled "unknown parasite" - that several folks recently have reported sick joeys with similar presentations. I understand she has resisted suggestions that she have testing done on her gliders for possible illness. She recently posted on GG another joey, a 'premature' leu with very rough looking and discolored fur that looked like it could benefit from a medical work up that probably has not been done.

As for Licensing - she clearly has MORE THAN 3 females in potential breeding situations and should have applied for USDA Licensing herself by now if she is going to advertise herself as a 'breeder'. If not licensed as a breeder, she certainly should be licensed as a Broker since she has sold gliders that she purchased with the intention of re-homing them.
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PostSubject: Re: Lori Homer/TheHomerMomma/Tiny Toes Sugar Gliders   Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:17 am

I have started gathering some info in one spot to share on FB(but collected off FB because people like to 'report' things on there to try to get them removed). I am adding more information and waiting on more information from other people but this is a tid bit of info for now.

http://gliderlover.wordpress.com/ -- Apparently sharing a warning about someone is not allowed on any public website, it is down now. So I will need to share it all here.


This is a story about a woman in the sugar glider community who has done wrong by more than one person. Sadly she's pretty good at avoiding the truth and hiding and evidence the best she can by lying or using various other methods.

This woman owes almost 2000 on one glider and 1000 on another. Instead of making good on her signed contracts, agreements and promises she has decided to ignore/block/avoid the people she has scammed the best she can. Even outright blocking them on FB. I am one of them, so I can only share my part of the story. I know Alden has some to share too, but I believe she is offline now, I do know she is happy to share when she comes around, though.

She told me outright she would neuter/sell the boy she owes me on, who had been with two girls/mates for 5 months rather than pay me any money towards him or 'owe' me. Sold or not, she still owes me. But it's terrible to think she would split him from the mates he'd been with since she got him from me. (And yes, to cover all bases, she offered him back to me.. but considering the other glider I was owed(the reason she owed on this one, the one who didn't make it was her half of the trade) 'never made it' via his flight and that she is breeding rescue leus and the one I had sent her was a leu I had no way to be sure that he would arrive safe or even be the right glider(leus look alike and I hadn't seen him since he was a joey) and I also didn't want him split from those girls he'd been with for so long already.)




Full size: http://i45.tinypic.com/o8w1ac.jpg & http://i49.tinypic.com/2b6ykj.jpg

Someone asked that I post this here as well.



Full size: http://i47.tinypic.com/2gyaxbs.jpg

Original link: http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Florida/Hillsborough-County-FL/Lori-C-Homer.4794478.html

When she refused to pay what she owed on another glider the breeder changed his info so any potential buyers of his joeys would know what was going on when they checked the lineage but at that point she just re-added him herself to avoid having people see the notations on his breeder's listing.

She owes me about $1000. She agreed blatantly via e-mail and even agreed to make payments. (She agreed to 800 something but she owes me about 165 for a shipping refund too which she promised me, I have logs of that, too.)



Full size: http://i50.tinypic.com/2ykib1y.jpg

And then the screenshot of her arguing with me as to WHY she should get half the shipping that /I/ paid for.



Full size: http://i46.tinypic.com/2s7j22v.jpg

She also has two listings on TPG and has gliders a: scattered between them to hide some of them and b: listed as 'breeder: unknown owner:unknown' so they don't show up as being bred by her. Gliders that were rescues, or came from who knows where. Her TPG info is a mess to say the least. These are her two listings, or were, one of them has easily three times as many gliders now as it did when this was screenshotted.



Full size: http://i46.tinypic.com/fs1w6.jpg

Someone let me know her info has changed, and I checked her TPG profiles again, look at the changes. On the left half you'll notice the old image, right above this one.



Full size: http://tinyurl.com/ao64kb2

Also, I was just made aware that she readded the glider she owes me money on who is now considered stolen. Of course she made it look innocent on her part and edited the tag on his listing, here is the screenshot.



Screenshot of double Quarks in the database.
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PostSubject: Re: Lori Homer/TheHomerMomma/Tiny Toes Sugar Gliders   Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:48 am

If you follow that link under the mug shot, you will see that she has been charged with 3 counts of organized fraud.

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PostSubject: Re: Lori Homer/TheHomerMomma/Tiny Toes Sugar Gliders   Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:26 am

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PostSubject: Re: Lori Homer/TheHomerMomma/Tiny Toes Sugar Gliders   Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:13 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Lori Homer/TheHomerMomma/Tiny Toes Sugar Gliders   Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:25 pm

Ohh boy

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PostSubject: Re: Lori Homer/TheHomerMomma/Tiny Toes Sugar Gliders   Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:59 pm

Thanks, I definitely agree. I do believe her dad is a lawyer and got her off on the charges but it still shows a lot that she was ARRESTED in the first place, in my opinion.

I do have more logs of e-mails, screen shots of her faking pretending to call the airlines for the 'missing' glider while the airlines told me they received not ONE call from her(until after I mentioned a refund). So if more is needed I can probably dig it up. (Buried in folders as I have been hesitant to come forward on this, the stress gives me migraines/anxiety problems and I was hoping to go to court but I have no income now, so I don't see that happening.)
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PostSubject: Re: Lori Homer/TheHomerMomma/Tiny Toes Sugar Gliders   Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:04 pm

From the very first post in this thread, "issues" started coming to light. This probably isn't a surprise to many. Unfortunately, for as many dishonest people there are in the glider community, there are triple the amount with big, trusting hearts that gave her the benefit of the doubt.

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PostSubject: Re: Lori Homer/TheHomerMomma/Tiny Toes Sugar Gliders   Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:43 pm

And some more.. This is just the tip of the iceburg for the mess that she's made of her TPG entries.

More digging on her database entries has shown she's added other joeys and falsified their lineages too, unfortunately.

Olsen for example, was a leu she rescued from a mill-type breeder in GA.
This was the 'Great Glider Rescue' and was posted on GG.
Thread: http://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=35532&whichpage=1

He is in the second photo in that first thread, you can see his bald spot. He was called a 'softball sized orange leu' and I remember her saying the vet said she was lucky his liver hadn't failed yet he was in such awful condition. He was paired with two leu sisters and was being bred by the woman in GA for white babies. Well, instead of neutering she kept him to breed for profit, too, obviously. Though he had no lineage and was from 'Canada' supposedly, I do believe she added him in to the TPG somehow, though I also believe some of it is inaccurate as a lot of his parents/grandparents etc had all been magically added by her, too.

Here is a joey out of Olsen, the one mentioned above, and Trekker, one of her first gliders and one she has had for a long while, I believe. (I was told this glider was found in a park, as told to this person by the woman in question herself, but she too now magically has lineage.. and most of those gliders are all added by her, too.) At the time this joey was OOP she did not even have Olsen yet, there weren't even plans to go get Olsen set in stone yet. (That happened later the same year, in July. But Olsen would've had to impregnate Trekker in 2010.. Over 6 months before she even got him.)






And I just confirmed that she has THREE database listings for her profile. One I added when she first got Nyota from me when she SUPPOSEDLY first started breeding before she was listing anything on TPG. After that she made her own but never asked me to remove the first or even TOLD me she was making her own, she just did it apparently. She seems to be evenly dispersing gliders amongst them to some extent as a few of the ones on the oldest account(you can tell by the owner ID, it's the lowest number) were just gotten by her in this past year, like Quinn and Tiberius.

I also know that Pike was a WFB rescue she got that was with a girl, he was really fat and barely fit in his coconut toy, I remember. And she got a trio of colored rescue girls and decided to pull Pike and put him with them to breed creaminos or something. One of the trio girls didn't like him so she pulled her and kept the other two breeding or something.. I don't know, so much swapping goes on. Now the creamino girl from that trio is with a different guy in her lineage, too, tho she had joeys from Pike.. It's a freakin' joke, such a mess.

But honestly, why would any one person need THREE listings??


I found three listings for Lori.

1. http://www.thepetglider.com/pedigree/modules/animal/owner.php?ownid=1675

2. http://www.thepetglider.com/pedigree/modules/animal/owner.php?ownid=1220

3. http://www.thepetglider.com/pedigree/modules/animal/owner.php?ownid=1009

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PostSubject: Miss Tiny Toes - L:Ori Holmer   Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:05 am

Hi, my name is Amy and I would like to share my story (and it is a doozy) with the glider community. Before I share, I will ask that ANYONE with a story or any kind of documentation about being "scammed" by "MISS TINY TOES", please e-mail it to me at sugargliders12@gmail.com. I am composing a letter to the DA's office and my new goal in life is to see "MISS TINY TOES" behind bars where she belongs! On top of that, anyone interested in joining a class action law suit, please contact me. Thank you in advance!
Well, I was foolish enough to be scammed by Miss Tiny Toes in Sept. 2012. I had sent her $2,000 for three gliders (joeys). Silly me, I never went on a forum before or I would never have gotten involved with this "blemish" on society. After countless stories of why she couldn't ship them to me:
1. One of the gliders was severely attacked and she had to take it to the vet (ok, no problem, she was going to send me the other two)
2. She couldn't go to the airport because her daughters ride got sick and she had to take her daughter somewhere (ok, no problem, I am a very nice and patient person)
3. This is unbelievable and many of you might say what is this Amy person saying? She must be delusional! Well, on my honor (which means a lot to me) This is the G-ds Honest Truth:
The gliders were supposed to be on a 7:00 a.m. flight from Tampa to NY. When I didn't hear from her by 6:50, I sent her a text to ask her if the gliders were on the plane, well,
(are you sitting down for this???) I got a movie plot! Lori Holmer, could not get into the Delta Cargo Building when she arrived there at 4:30 in the am, why you might ask?
There were "THREE SNAKES" loose in the office. The story gets better! When Miss Tiny Toes was finally allowed into the building, she "discovered" that there were 200, yes
that's right, snakes on the plane! (Do you think she watches a little too many movies?)
Well, after calling Delta Cargo, (and they finally stopped laughing), I obviously found out that this story was a whopper! There wasn't even a flight booked by Miss Tiny Toes.
The excuses did continue, but in all honesty, the snake story was the most entertaining!
So, Miss Tiny Toes has $2,000 of my money, I filled out a police report for frued and theft. Since she was already arrested for frued in 2010 (mug shot is featured on line), I'm hoping the DA's office won't waste anytime and have her arrested. I am prepared to follow through with this! It pisses me off. that not only did I fall for her scam but that she has the nerve to have done this to so many other people. It has to stop! She is out of control and she has committed many felonies. Besides the theft of everyones monies, she has committed WIRE FRAUD! That is a FEDERAL OFFENSE!!!!! There are too many people out there that she has hurt and plans to hurt and steal their money.
Now she is training dogs? It is scaring me to death that she might be responsible for others beloved pets!
Please join me in the "DOWNFALL of MISS TINY TOES" and send me all your stories!
NO ONE MESSES WITH SUGAR GLIDERS AND GETS AWAY WITH IT, NO ONE!!!!:)
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PostSubject: LORI HOLMER   Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:13 am

I called the USDA to report her. Guess what???? Lori Homer (Lori Hoffman-Holmer) IS NOT nor has EVER BEEN LICENSED!!!!!
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PostSubject: LORI HOLMER "MISS TINY TOES" - SCAMMER!   Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:16 am

Hi, my name is Amy and I would like to share my story (and it is a doozy) with the glider community. Before I share, I will ask that ANYONE with a story or any kind of documentation about being "scammed" by "MISS TINY TOES", please e-mail it to me at sugargliders12@gmail.com. I am composing a letter to the DA's office and my new goal in life is to see "MISS TINY TOES" behind bars where she belongs! On top of that, anyone interested in joining a class action law suit, please contact me. Thank you in advance!

Well, I was foolish enough to be scammed by Miss Homer in Sept. 2012. I had sent her $2,000 for three gliders (joeys). Silly me, I never went on a forum before or I would never have gotten involved with this [name removed by admin] After countless stories of why she couldn't ship them to me:
1. One of the gliders was severely attacked and she had to take it to the vet (ok, no problem, she was going to send me the other two)

2. She couldn't go to the airport because her daughter's ride got sick and she had to take her daughter somewhere (ok, no problem, I am a very nice and patient person)

3. This is unbelievable and many of you might say what is this Amy person saying? She must be delusional! Well, on my honor (which means a lot to me) This is the Honest Truth:
The gliders were supposed to be on a 7:00 a.m. flight from Tampa to NY. When I didn't hear from her by 6:50, I sent her a text to ask her if the gliders were on the plane, well, (are you sitting down for this???) I got a movie plot! Lori Holmer, could not get into the Delta Cargo Building when she arrived there at 4:30 in the am, why you might ask?
There were "THREE SNAKES" loose in the office. The story gets better! When Miss Homer was finally allowed into the building, she "discovered" that there were 200, yes that's right, snakes on the plane! (Do you think she watches a little too many movies?)
Well, after calling Delta Cargo, (and they finally stopped laughing), I obviously found out that this story was a whopper! There wasn't even a flight booked by Miss Homer.

The excuses did continue, but in all honesty, the snake story was the most entertaining!

So, Miss Homer has $2,000 of my money, I filled out a police report for frued and theft. Since she was already arrested for fraud in 2010 (mug shot is featured on line), I'm hoping the DA's office won't waste anytime and have her arrested. I am prepared to follow through with this! It pisses me off that not only did I fall for her scam, but that she has the nerve to have done this to so many other people. It has to stop! She is out of control and she has committed many felonies. Besides the theft of everyone's monies, she has committed WIRE FRAUD! That is a FEDERAL OFFENSE!!!!! There are too many people out there that she has hurt and plans to hurt and steal their money.
Now she is training dogs? It is scaring me to death that she might be responsible for others beloved pets!

Please join me in the "DOWNFALL of MISS TINY TOES" and send me all your stories!
NO ONE MESSES WITH SUGAR GLIDERS AND GETS AWAY WITH IT, NO ONE!!!!:)


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PostSubject: Re: Lori Homer/TheHomerMomma/Tiny Toes Sugar Gliders   Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:17 am

sugargliders12 wrote:
I called the USDA to report her. Guess what???? Lori Holme (Lori Hoffman-Holmer) IS NOT nor has EVER BEEN LICENCED!!!!!

She was just on FB(I could link you, but I can't post the screens myself as I blocked her so they don't show, but a friend told me what she said) saying she just now got licensed and how she tried a year or two ago but she 'didn't have enough gliders yet' so they wouldn't license her.

Well, I replied to that;
My post on FB:

LOL Ok. When I called the USDA they said they had never heard of her or anyone by her name and that no one in her CITY(Holiday, FL or Tarpon Springs, FL) was licensed with the USDA.
I gave both her husbands name, her name and the name of her 'business'.

This was a year or more after she posted openly on LGG saying 'Oh I am licensed/approved, just awaiting my USDA number! ' (She posted that Nov of 2011, I believe. It's on the forum still, in the thread where they grilled her.)

Her saying she's approved, etc;
http://kozi.co/usda.jpg


And oh wait, that glider, Olsen/Daigo, check him out here;
http://www.thepetglider.com/pedigree/modules/animal/dog.php?id=20263

Semi recent joeys OOP, right? His most recent; 2012/09/24

Well lookit what she says here;
http://kozi.co/ll1.jpg
http://kozi.co/ll2.jpg

She tells LGG Olsen/Daigo is neutered in Oct of 2011.

Why believe a single word out of this woman's mouth? Anyone who is still siding with her or opting to buy from her is asking to get struck by lightning, honestly.
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PostSubject: Re: Lori Homer/TheHomerMomma/Tiny Toes Sugar Gliders   Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:39 am

I am only gonna make this one post being an LGG screenshot was used and then I am bowing out, I really don't want to be part of Ambers stalker issues across every open field she can post on.

Amber if you're gonna post screenshots, at least post the full stories. Lori came back and owned she lied about Daigo being neutered. Maybe you didn't read it because once you were caught in your own scam/lie you didn't come back? You can come back to LGG to steal tidbits but not answer to your own actions? Yet, you're to be trusted too eh? Seems because you never came to an agreement with Lori, you haven't taken her to court which you've repeatedly claimed to be doing, you are just looking for every single place you can to slam her or bring up her name. It's quite sad how you latch on to some people so desperately.




Amy, I am sorry for what happened with your situation. Hopefully it gets resolved quickly for you. Please go about it properly. I'd love to see just one person actually follow through with court stuff when they say they will. These forums cannot get your gliders or your money back. Only private conversations with Lori or a judge can do that. Don't get sucked into the kiddie drama that seems to follow some of these people.
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PostSubject: Re: Lori Homer/TheHomerMomma/Tiny Toes Sugar Gliders   Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:50 am

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I'd love to see just one person actually follow through with court stuff when they say they will.
You and me both. I really appreciate the heads up on shady people that these types of warnings provide, but I have to admit when someone repeatedly threatens to go to court and never does, it makes me question THEIR ability to honestly report information.

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PostSubject: Re: Lori Homer/TheHomerMomma/Tiny Toes Sugar Gliders   Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:38 pm

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You and me both. I really appreciate the heads up on shady people that these types of warnings provide, but I have to admit when someone repeatedly threatens to go to court and never does, it makes me question THEIR ability to honestly report information.

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